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Posted 26 December 2006 - 11:37 AM

1. How old does a vehicle have to be to be a classic

2. What break down years (if still used by DMV) & categories list the classics, horseless carriages etc.

3. Just wondering if the ole CJ's are moving into a new era, :biggrin1:

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 12:57 PM

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Generally, CLASSIC CARS were those produced before 1948.

Antique vehicles have to be over 25 years old.
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Posted 26 December 2006 - 01:04 PM

So the horseless carriage would be the 1948 & earlier? Is the Antique tag a one time buy or does it have to be renewed?

Do they still offer the Antique tag, I thought they might have done away w/it. :biggrin1:

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 02:12 PM

Rollbar, on Dec 26 2006, 01:04 PM, said:

So the horseless carriage would be the 1948 & earlier?  Is the Antique tag a one time buy or does it have to be renewed?

Do they still offer the Antique tag, I thought they might have done away w/it.  :biggrin1:

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According to FLORIDA Dept. Motor Vehicles: A HORSELESS CARRIAGE is any
auto or truck weighing less than 5,000 pounds, for private use, manufactured in
1927 or earlier. Don't know about if the plate needs to be renewed every year.

And, FLA. DMV defenition of an ANTIQUE vehicle, is any vehicle, for private use,
that was manufactured over 30 years ago.

Thankfully, they got rid of the COLLECTIBLE license plate.........every idiot who
thought his/her rusty-dusty-clunker was going to get more valuable bought the tag.
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Posted 26 December 2006 - 02:21 PM

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  Posted 26 December 2006 - 03:06 PM

If I'm not mistaken they have changed things around. You can get a Horseless as long as it is over 30 years and Antique over 10. It's been a while so you better call and make sure.

A Horseless never has to be renewed as long as it is the same owner, the Antique has to be renewed every year. I have a Horseless for the Willys. The Horseless has to be applied directly to the main office, you can not just walk into the court house or a tag agency. The antique you can get local.
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Posted 26 December 2006 - 04:39 PM

Jim B, on Dec 26 2006, 03:06 PM, said:

If I'm not mistaken they have changed things around. You can get a Horseless as long as it is over 30 years and Antique over 10. It's been a while so you better call and make sure.

A Horseless never has to be renewed as long as it is the same owner, the Antique has to be renewed every year. I have a Horseless for the Willys. The Horseless has to be applied directly to the main office, you can not just walk into the court house or a tag agency. The antique you can get local.

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 04:43 PM

OK so I didn't see anything about the Antique in the link Ian. Just Horseless & Street rod.
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Posted 26 December 2006 - 06:03 PM

The form that Ian posted seems to be an old form and not correct.

According to this form the Horseless will be 1927 and older. I have a 1942 with a Horseless tag.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 12:57 PM

The "antique" tag is for vehicles over 20 years old. The "horseless carriage" tag is for vehicles 35 years old. My '48 Plymouth has a "horseless carriage" plate on it. Has had it since 1983. The "antique" tag is issued each year. The "horseless carriage" tag is a one time purchase.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 01:21 PM

Thanks Jack,
1. I guess U have to actually ask for the plate (antique) when U go in, correct?
2. Can the antique tag be personalized like w/ my name on it etc.?
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 03:16 PM

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Posted 27 December 2006 - 04:07 PM

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Posted 27 December 2006 - 04:57 PM

Rollbar, on Dec 27 2006, 01:21 PM, said:

Thanks Jack,
1. I guess U have to actually ask for the plate (antique) when U go in, correct?
2. Can the antique tag be personalized like w/ my name on it etc.?

1. You can get the antique locally, just tell them you want one and show them the paper work.

2. Not sure on this one but I don't think so.

The Horseless you will have ask for a form by calling the capital, they do not have these at the local court house.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 05:08 PM

Forgot... military old vehicles do not have to display their Horseless tags, I'm sure it is the same for the Antique but not 100%.

If you can prove on your title that it was a conversion or military :banghead: you might not have to display. :lol: :lol:

Either way it you dress it up military and you get stopped and pull the statue out you would probably get away with it. :lol:
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 05:18 PM

Jim B, on Dec 27 2006, 06:08 PM, said:

Either way it you dress it up military and you get stopped and pull the statue out you would probably get away with it. :banghead:

Got a copy of the Statue. BTW a Statue is not a law, :lol: :sneak: :lol: :lol: if memory serves.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 05:25 PM

Both "antique" and "horseless carriage" plates can be personallized. I had "48 PLY" as an "antique" plate. You can also send in a tag from the first year the vehicle was registered (not the actual tag that was on the vehicle but one for the year of the vehicle) and have it used on the vehicle. The reason to send it in is so that they can verify the plate and they add the stickers to it. If I get my 48 Plymouth back from North carolina I have a "10-191" 1948 plate to register for it. The 10- was the plate for Broward in those years.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 05:31 PM

I almost forgot, I think you can get the paperwork for the "horseless carriage" tag at a Florida Highway Patrol office. They also have to sign it verifying that it it authentic.
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 05:34 PM

Thanks Jack for the info, since I can get a antique tag for the CJ's ('84/'86) I will personalize them. I just think they R cool. :banghead:
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 05:36 PM

You are most welcome. I just hope my information is up-to-date.
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View PostJack H, on Dec 27 2006, 01:57 PM, said:

The "antique" tag is for vehicles over 20 years old. The "horseless carriage" tag is for vehicles 35 years old. My '48 Plymouth has a "horseless carriage" plate on it. Has had it since 1983. The "antique" tag is issued each year. The "horseless carriage" tag is a one time purchase.

I just called the Division of Motor Vehicles' Customer Service Section at (850) 922-9000 and they told me the "horseless carriage" plate is for vehicles made in 1945 or earlier.
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I just called the Division of Motor Vehicles' Customer Service Section at (850) 922-9000 and they told me the "horseless carriage" plate is for vehicles made in 1945 or earlier.

They must have changed it or I just did not run into these issues when I got mine since I had the good date. :cool1:

I was really under the impression that the Horseless was for vehicles 30 to 35 years old. :whistle:
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Posted 12 September 2007 - 11:49 AM

The law has indeed been amended to allow former military vehicles (and fire trucks) to carry their plates and display them on an "on demand" basis. Our chapter of the Military Vehicle Preservation Association has a couple of guys who worked on this with the Texas and Virginia versions as their model. Jeb Bush signed it into law a few years ago. The chapter even published a small version of the law so that members could laminate it and carry it with them. Figuring that many street cops probably would not know about the change, the copies could be taped to the back of the plates.

If and when I ever register the Mighty Mite, I don't plan to display a tag on it so the plate with the law taped to the back kept behind the seats should come in handy as Yale and his buddies try to hassle me...
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Posted 12 September 2007 - 04:14 PM

Dave, can U post a copy of the law so we can just print it.
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Dave, can U post a copy of the law so we can just print it.

I think you posted this yourself already. It's been Pinned to the top for some time. :biggrin1:

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 06:40 AM

Wow this is cool! So is it the same thing for campers?? My friend has a camper from the 40's?
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So is it the same thing for campers?? My friend has a camper from the 40's?

Not sure, certain parts of the new law apply only to military vintage. This is why I was under the assumption that anything over 35 years could get a Horseless tag but apparently not. :biggrin1:
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