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#1 User is offline   Rollbar 

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Posted 19 December 2005 - 03:27 PM

Here is a 1953-55 M-170 Front line Jeep Ambulance/Troop hauler, it was converted from a CJ6.
I am going to convert (somewhat) my CJ8 to look the same. I will use all the outside marking that are found on this Jeep. I found (through Jim B. & TheMajors help) a website that I can either buy decals or paint mask to paint the emblems, I will use the paint mask. In the rear of the bed of the Jeep I will use two bench seats, one on each side since I will have the 1/2 hard top (for now). I can get a full ragtop (which would look good w/the Red Crosses) but I want to see how it turns out first.

So here it is, the M-170 Front line Jeep Ambulance/Troop hauler, helping our Troops of yester year. :lol:

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  Posted 20 December 2005 - 08:12 AM

I'm personally going to enjoy following your project. :bounce: I'm really glad you decided to go this route. :devil: I would like to see a pic of your CJ8 on here before you start. After that keep updating us as you progress. If you don't show us any pics I'll will let you know and keep you on your toes. :shave:

Have you decided what color shade OD you are going with :devil: Reason I ask is that a Gallon of good Galespy paint will run around $20 & $20 for the Hazardous shipping. I have a friend that has 8 gallons, (he purchased more than he needed). He is willing to let it go for $15 a gallon and around $12 shipping. Btw, Spray cans do not have the hazardous problem that liquid paint does. Don't ask me why. :unsure:

His OD shade is 33070 which is prior 1943 but late 1941. If you want to get an idea of what it looks like, look at the YJ build up. If you have seen my Willys, this is also the shade. There are also darker shades and darker with brown in it. Call Rapco and see if they can send you a catalog with shades. They use to have a web site with all of this but it's under construction. They would also recommend your primer.

Here is another place that sells paint and parts, make sure is the Galespy paint.
Brent Mullins Parts

With regards to your rag top. What about just a top with rear and back windows or are you thinking to actually go all out and do the same as the M170 you posted :question:
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 11:43 AM

Why are there no pictures from front?
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  Posted 20 December 2005 - 12:06 PM

Jack H, on Dec 20 2005, 11:43 AM, said:

Why are there no pictures from front?

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 12:26 PM

Thank you sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar. :devil:
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 04:49 PM

Jack H, on Dec 20 2005, 11:43 AM, said:

Why are there no pictures from front?

There are actually two fronts, that being one of them & a newer grill like the CJ's. The one like the CJ's doesnt have any rings & it look awesome. I am going to see what a modern grill looks like (painted) w/out the rings, hopefully the gap isn't to large from the headlight to the metal. Maybe I can get the bigger headlights to fill the void.


Here one w/a CJ 6 front grill.

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The blue arrow is just the center bolt etc.

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 05:23 PM

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His OD shade is 33070 which is prior 1943 but late 1941. If you want to get an idea of what it looks like, look at the YJ build up.

I asked the guy over on G503 what color shade his was, I waiting on a reply. I want to get it as close as I can for obvious reasons. I want to keep it the shade the Army used but I have to search for it or call BMJP.

Heres what BMJP offers
33070 Lusterless Olive Drab-Your Willys.
24087 Semi Gloss Olive Drab
34087 Early WWII Lusterless Olive Drab
34052 USMC Lusterless Forest Green- This one here maybe to dark & it's not for the Army.
Red Oxide Primer(gallon cans only)

Thanks for the tip, :devil:
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 05:38 PM

Here's my next project. :sneak:

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 08:21 PM

Here is a good thread on OD paint.
OD Paint to Compair, awesome write up, this would be a good post to copy over here w/pics etc.

I'm still trying to find a good match to the numbers U posted Jim but it looks like the 34087 Early WWII Lusterless Olive Drab wins it. Al's paint is closer but it is from down under.

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 09:02 PM

Jim B, on Dec 20 2005, 08:12 AM, said:

He is willing to let it go for $15 a gallon and around $12 shipping.

His OD shade is 33070 which is prior 1943 but late 1941. Call Rapco and see if they can send you a catalog with shades. They use to have a web site with all of this but it's under construction. They would also recommend your primer.

What about just a top with rear and back windows or are you thinking to actually go all out and do the same as the M170 you posted :cool1:

Jim, I'll let U know about the paint. I want to try to get a paint for that yr. if I can.
What do you think?



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I will keep the 1/2 hard top for now but I am really leaning towards the rag top look since it the Jeep will be a 1/2 & 1/2 DD. 1/2 garage, 1/2 DD/weekends or when I need a ride.

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 09:46 PM

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 10:06 PM

Nice, I like the doors. What is that, dried muck or loose??????

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  Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:56 AM

Rollbar, on Dec 20 2005, 08:21 PM, said:

Here is a good thread on OD paint.
OD Paint to Compair, awesome write up, this would be a good post to copy over here w/pics etc.

I'm still trying to find a good match to the numbers U posted Jim but it looks like the 34087 Early WWII Lusterless Olive Drab wins it.  Al's paint is closer but it is from down under.

Rapco Parts
(940) 872-2403
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Bowie, TX 76230

These guys are the main distributor who probably supply Brian Mullins. They carry the Galespy and the red primer.

Btw, I really think you are barking up the wrong tree with the 34087, this is a much lighter and mustard looking color. Speak with Rapco and tell them the year and model and see what number they give you. Get a price too.

Look below at this picture: The Willys in the rear is 33070, the one in the middle 319 post war and restoration paint is the one with more brown in it, the one in the front is the 34087 which is more yellow or mustard looking, more prone to stains.

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I read the link and discussion on the OD shades. If you look at the NOS part that the guy is comparing it to... the 33070 looks like the correct & closest match, I don't know what these guys are looking at but from their own samples the 34087 is too light. Your M170 might have a more darker OD look. The restore or after war OD 319 had more brown to it. Put a pic up of the CJ8.

CJ5, nice ride, is your shade OD, can't tell from the pic, if it is what paint did you use :cool1:
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 02:45 PM

Jim & Jim(Rollbar), here are some pics I took at CampJeep 1 or 2 years ago. Compare for color.

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 05:51 PM

Jim B, on Dec 21 2005, 09:56 AM, said:

Rollbar, on Dec 20 2005, 08:21 PM, said:

Here is a good thread on OD paint.
OD Paint to Compair, awesome write up, this would be a good post to copy over here w/pics etc.

I'm still trying to find a good match to the numbers U posted Jim but it looks like the 34087 Early WWII Lusterless Olive Drab wins it.  Al's paint is closer but it is from down under.

Rapco Parts
(940) 872-2403
1201 Highway 81 N
Bowie, TX 76230

These guys are the main distributor who probably supply Brian Mullins. They carry the Galespy and the red primer.

Btw, I really think you are barking up the wrong tree with the 34087, this is a much lighter and mustard looking color. Speak with Rapco and tell them the year and model and see what number they give you. Get a price too.

Look below at this picture: The Willys in the rear is 33070, the one in the middle 319 post war and restoration paint is the one with more brown in it, the one in the front is the 34087 which is more yellow or mustard looking, more prone to stains.

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I read the link and discussion on the OD shades. If you look at the NOS part that the guy is comparing it to... the 33070 looks like the correct & closest match, I don't know what these guys are looking at but from their own samples the 34087 is too light. Your M170 might have a more darker OD look. The restore or after war OD 319 had more brown to it. Put a pic up of the CJ8.

CJ5, nice ride, is your shade OD, can't tell from the pic, if it is what paint did you use :cool1:





Thanks Jim & Jack, nice pics.

Jim, first of all how dare U post such nice pics for me to :lol: over, man those R sweet, brings back memories, :lol: .

Jim, I like the Willys color w/the star on the front bumper, the closer one. Is this the one that U say stains easy?
I want to find the correct color for the yr. I'm going with.
Do I have to use Red Primer as a base or can I use a regular primer? Why?

I have to make sure the yr. w/the regular (CJ) grill is a 55', not sure but it might be closer to the 60's model year. See this is where we need some historianes on this thread. :sneak:


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Posted 21 December 2005 - 06:46 PM

I asked over @ www.G503.com what the height & width of the M-170 dash is but no answer yet. I want to try to use the dash if I can or modify it to fit the CJ, I may have to buy a after market one from 4WDH & weld CJ dash ends on it to make it fit, (i.e. use the center of the dash). I looked @ the tail lights on the 8 but it was dark, I think it has two studs holding the tail light on, if so then I will buy two vintage tail lights for the 8.


Jim,
1. Do the axles get paint with the OD green?
2. My frame is black????????
3. My hardware (linkages, steering arms etc. are black) is black along w/my 1"BL. Do they need to be OD?

I would rather keep the black frame & linkages etc. & paint the axles OD. In two weeks I will paint the axles & re-convert them back to SUA.

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 12:19 AM

Rollbar, on Dec 19 2005, 02:27 PM, said:

Here is a 1953-55 M-170 Front line Jeep Ambulance/Troop hauler, it was converted from a CJ6.
I am going to convert (somewhat) my CJ8 to look the same.  I will use all the outside marking that are found on this Jeep.  I found (through Jim B. & TheMajors help) a website that I can either buy decals or paint mask to paint the emblems, I will use the paint mask.  In the rear of the bed of the Jeep I will use two bench seats, one on each side since I will have the 1/2 hard top (for now).  I can get a full ragtop (which would look good w/the Red Crosses) but I want to see how it turns out first.

So here it is, the M-170 Front line Jeep Ambulance/Troop hauler, helping our Troops of yester year.  :)

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 03:54 AM

Rollbar: It is muskeg, but only for the top 5 feet, then it is ALL water..lol
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  Posted 22 December 2005 - 10:47 AM

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Jim, I like the Willys color w/the star on the front bumper, the closer one.
I want to find the correct color for the yr. I'm going with.

Than if that is what catches your eye and makes you happy (it's your ride) you should go with this shade. I hate to break it to you but you are contradicting yourself. You like the 34087 but you say you want to find the correct color for the year. The 34087 is not, it was only displayed in 1941 to like Feb of 1942 or so. Your 1955 shade will be darker, maybe more so than the ones in the picture. Call Rapco and speak to them, have them send you a shade catalog. Bottom line is that if you like the 34087 than go with it.

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Is this the one that U say stains easy?

Used the wrong term, what I meant is that since it is a more mustard OD color the fingerprint, etc smudges will be more predominant.

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Do I have to use Red Primer as a base or can I use a regular primer? Why?

Call Rapco, it has to do something with bare metal and the OD color quality. This is what I remember reading and speaking with a few of the guys 2 years back. If you think it's a bunch of hogwash than use any primer.

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1. Do the axles get paint with the OD green?
2. My frame is black????????
3. My hardware (linkages, steering arms etc. are black) is black along w/my 1"BL. Do they need to be OD?
I would rather keep the black frame & linkages etc. & paint the axles OD

Let me let you in on a secret. Back in the days everything was OD, they did not paint the face of the gauges because they had to see them. :devil: The wire linkages along with any moving part the had grease was the only thing left alone. Out of the factory the switches were still left so you can read them, that is until it came back to the motor pool for repaint. I would not sweat this too much, look at my pics to see what is OD or not, check some of the other pics on the net. Ultimately do what you like. :lol:

Btw, I've been going nuts myself over Xmas, (not big money). Items that I was missing like Mussette & Haversack bag, canteen, mess kit, blanket, an OD#3 Khaki tank top. Even found an M1943 Folding Shovels with carrier that paratroopers and infantry carried. I managed to find all of these with dates stamped on them, :devil: the guy made me a deal I could not refuse. :) Wait till you see my next display. :nerd:
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 08:43 PM

Thanks everyone.

I think I'm gonna paint the axles OD & leave the linkage black along w/the frame, but then it wouldn't look right, :question: :1thumb: :wacko: :lol: :wub: :banghead:
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 09:46 PM

TheMajor, on Dec 22 2005, 12:19 AM, said:

Rollbar, on Dec 19 2005, 02:27 PM, said:

Here is a 1953-55 M-170 Front line Jeep Ambulance/Troop hauler, it was converted from a CJ6.
I am going to convert (somewhat) my CJ8 to look the same.  I will use all the outside marking that are found on this Jeep.  I found (through Jim B. & TheMajors help) a website that I can either buy decals or paint mask to paint the emblems, I will use the paint mask.  In the rear of the bed of the Jeep I will use two bench seats, one on each side since I will have the 1/2 hard top (for now).  I can get a full ragtop (which would look good w/the Red Crosses) but I want to see how it turns out first.

So here it is, the M-170 Front line Jeep Ambulance/Troop hauler, helping our Troops of yester year.  :wacko:

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No I'm not out to make the mouse, oh excuse me, Nellybelly look bad, :sneak: :question: . Since I can't get my Willys back I've alway's wanted a Military Jeep again, so for now this will do, I know it's not the same but........ In the future I will get another real Military Jeep or maybe I'll buy one for the 5 Star General, :sneak: :1thumb: :lol:

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  Posted 23 December 2005 - 08:21 AM

Rollbar, on Dec 22 2005, 08:43 PM, said:

I think I'm gonna paint the axles OD & leave the linkage black along w/the frame, but then it wouldn't look right,  :question: 

Breathe, breathe, breathe. :lol: :1thumb: Btw, I take it back, you and me will work on the Blimp project, this is how will travel back and forth on weekends. :blink:

You know that a 4 star General handles major divisions but a 5 star is considered General of the Army. If you have her on your side there is nothing to worry about. :wub:

When you start on this project don't forget to take pics of what the CJ8 looked before you touch it. :wacko:
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Posted 23 December 2005 - 12:02 PM

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 12:47 PM

I got pics & I will document the build. :2thumup:
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Posted 23 December 2005 - 01:16 PM

Jim B, on Dec 21 2005, 09:56 AM, said:

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UPDATE:

I called Rapco & spoke w/Mark & gave him the year of the M-170 I'm converting & he gave me these two numbers, 23070 & 24087. I'm having them shipped today & I will test the colors out. Yes, I will post the color pics.


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Posted 23 December 2005 - 03:10 PM

I have decided to paint the frame & linkages OD, if it's gonna look close/right I have to, plus I owe it to the fallen men & women.

I called & left a message for Rick Larson on the stencils & ask if he could call back after the holiday's. :whistle:

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P.S. * Looking for a snorkle from that era for the build. :dance1:

P.S.S. My Jeeps name will be Peach since JimB took my other name, Dolly. Jim, We call our daughter Dolly since she was two. :2thumup:

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  Posted 24 December 2005 - 08:18 AM

Rollbar, on Dec 23 2005, 03:10 PM, said:

P.S. * Looking for a snorkle from that era for the build.  :gossip:

P.S.S. My Jeeps name will be Peach

We talked about this and from the pictures I sent you last you can probably go to Home Depot or any duct place and find what you need except for the hat. Keep calling the main part places. Don't forget the shovel under the hood, put it on the list.

Peach is an great name! :2thumup:
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Posted 24 December 2005 - 09:20 AM

Ya, when I look @ a Jeep w/all the curves & she's w/me I say, "now doesn't that look sexy", :2thumup: :sneak: :gossip: Then she say's no, "it looks tough, & it's got ba--ls". She just thinks vintage Jeeps/trucks are tough, maybe that's why the General is so accepting to the new standards of the Army, :amazed: either that or the War Dept. pay's her well. :lol:
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Posted 03 January 2006 - 04:26 PM

I ordered the Fording kit (underwater snorkel, brackets, support pole, hose cap & tail pipe) today for the M-170 build & it will ship tomorrow, :lol: :) :1baby: :wub:
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  Posted 03 January 2006 - 09:34 PM

Rollbar, on Jan 3 2006, 04:26 PM, said:

I ordered the Fording kit (underwater snorkel, brackets, support pole, hose cap & tail pipe) today for the M-170 build & it will ship tomorrow,  :question:  :question:  :biggrin1:  :dance1:

Wow, that included the cap, great setup! :2thumup: Don't leave it outside as I know someone that lives in the area. :whistle: This makes the ARB snorkel child's play. :naughty: Can't wait to see it. Post some pics when you get it. :ya:
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