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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:03 PM

Yes it is very rough but it was either going to the scrap yard or my yard. Couldn't see that happening.

Has a slant 4cyl (International), axles, T-case and Trans. Has extra head for motor and a newer CJ grill that has tabs on the bottom to flip forward.

Needs work :)

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:23 PM

looks like it needs a lot of whork what are the plans for this one
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:35 PM

Yep, needs lots of TLC and $$ :mouthzip1:

Going to strip it and paint it (frame/tub) after I find out what year it is/find the vin#

Then rebuild it for a DDriver-not many parts there besides the drive train/tailgate, so it might take a while.

Might get her running and driving then work on it, it will be good therapy :whistle: :nervous: :scratch:

I won't hack it up or put a v8 in it etc. Will keep it as original as I can and order parts where I can.

I didn't look under the pile of junk in it but I did see some parts :biggrin1:
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Posted 11 May 2013 - 08:52 AM

good luck cant wait to see pics of the build
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Posted 11 May 2013 - 10:34 AM

Just found a guy who has three, and he wants to make a 4 door but all the other pieces are for sale-PARTS !!! :tongue1:
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:04 AM

wow!!! nice!! :2thumup:
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:07 AM

You have got to be kidding me! You need professional help. I your goal buying up the West on Jeeps. Do you even have a head count on how many are in your family :question:

Nice find. :ya:

If you keep this up you can start your own pull it yard and make some money.
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:49 AM

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You have got to be kidding me! You need professional help. I your goal buying up the West on Jeeps. Do you even have a head count on how many are in your family :question:

Nice find. :ya:

If you keep this up you can start your own pull it yard and make some money.



I lost count :tongue1:

Yes I have a problem :nervous: :empathy: :devilgrin: and I dont know the cause. Peach says it is already in the family's blood. THE kids even have Jeeps :banghead1: :obsessed:

I can start my own Jeep club :whistle:
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:54 PM

Rear seat
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:18 PM

We will have to get a crayon and go over the data tag so we can read it better.

The data tag reads - 171281
2125526
107178

Better engine pics later this week, then maybe we can tell what it is.

No bell housing.

Not sure if the tranny/t-case are Scout or Jeep

Looks like an adapter on the input shaft of the tranny.

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Not sure this is even the right frame ?

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:08 AM

You got a job ahead of you. Pays to be young with a lot of energy. :grin:

I thought you said minimal rust...
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:17 AM

Besides adding a new floor(easier than Fla rust) the rest of the rust is mainly surface rust. OsPho can handle that. Tailgate, bumpers, frame is not eaten up. Not sure how the floor got that way but hey, after 70yrs it looks better than YOU :tongue1: :whistle: :empathy:
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:26 AM

Looks like the PO cut the floor out the way it is cut (he passed away) so it wouldn't be to hard to put a floor in.
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:11 PM

Test fit the hood etc.

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The data plate reads:

CJ2a 171231

Not sure what yr yet.
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:17 PM

is that the VIN number?
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:18 PM

Ya I think it is.
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:29 PM

Based on this it is a 1948 CJ2A
http://www.thecj2apa...topic13957.html

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:36 PM

Another good document

http://www.thecj2apa...tters-Guide.pdf

from here
http://www.thecj2apa...topic21598.html
More CJ2A Info
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:03 PM

Thanks willy going to check.

Here are better pics of the T-case/Tranny/engine.
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No threads on the tranny-the guy is looking for the bell housing.
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:51 PM

Looks like a '61-'63 Pontiac Engine.

http://auto.howstuff...ac-tempest2.htm

Looks like a '61-'63 Pontiac Engine.

http://auto.howstuff...ac-tempest2.htm

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195 [edit]
Perhaps the most unusual variation of the durable Pontiac V8 was not a V8 at all, but an inline four. Nicknamed the "INDY 4", created for the 1961 Pontiac Tempest, it was essentially the right bank of the 389, sharing most of its tooling and many of its parts (more than 120 were identical). The bore and stroke of 4 1⁄16 in (103.2 mm) and 3 3⁄4 in (95.2 mm) were the same, giving a displacement of 195.5 cu in (3.204 L). This degree of commonality enabled it to be produced on the same lines as the V8, allowing substantial cost savings. A drawback was that the 195 weighed much more than a purpose-designed engine: at about 540 pounds (240 kg), it was not substantially lighter than the 389.
The 195 produced 110 hp (82 kW) (gross) at 3800 rpm and 190 lb·ft (260 N·m) at 2000 rpm with a single-barrel carburetor, or 155 hp (116 kW) @ 4800 and 215 lb·ft (292 N·m) @ 2800 rpm with the optional four-barrel carburetor. For 1962 a "power pack" option increased rated power to 166 hp (124 kW).
The Achilles heel of the 195 was engine shake. An inline four-cylinder engine produces unbalanced "couple," shaking in the vertical plane, and modern engineers consider the installation of twin counter-rotating balance shafts necessary for engines much larger than 122 cui (2.0 L). The V8-based design of the 195 had no such balance shafts, and costs prohibited adding them. The 195 was instead cushioned by flexible rubber engine mounts designed to isolate the engine from the rest of the car, and its forces were further dampened by the Tempest's unusual driveshaft. However, if the engine was out of tune or if a spark plug became fouled, the shaking overwhelmed the dampening of the mounts. A special high-strength timing chain was developed especially for the Tempest 4, since a standard chain would stretch and break rather easily from the inherent vibration in this engine design. The timing chain in the 195 was the same as the 389 initially; the upgraded Tempest chain also works on the V8 engines as a high strength upgrade. As an aside, former Pontiac engineer Malcolm McKellar joked in an interview with Collectible Automobile magazine that he and his fellow engineers sometimes called the four-cylinder Tempest "a traveling fatigue machine."
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:38 PM

Here is a pic of a slant 4cyl.

Looks sweet.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

I guess some were right after all.

OK the grill should be 10.25" from the front bumper from what I am told. Here are the results. So it seems the frame is not correct. Now what?

From front edge of bumper:
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16" from bumper
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Rear of frame sticking past tub:
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:06 PM

Measured the Wheelbase = 80"

Front spring length, bolt to bolt = 36"

Rear spring length, bolt to bolt = 46"

Spring width = 1 3/4"

Frame length from front frame end to rear frame end = 128.5

Frame width, front = 29"

Frame width, rear = 29.5

So, what frame is this ?

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:32 PM

CJ5 ? (from a recommendation)

http://www.cj3a.info/tech/3aframe.pdf
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:12 PM

Called Novak to see if I could find an adapter for the T98 to Slant 4. Here is their reply.

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I have a '61 - '63 Pontiac slant 4cyl (half of a 389) that I need to mate to a T98 Jeep transmission.
Here is a picture of the front of my T98 (not sure what the silver thing is?

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Hi JB,

Good question. Do you know what the bolt pattern of the engine block to bellhousing is? Or, even better, do you know if this bellhousing has the Muncie / Saginaw four-bolt pattern on the back? If you are not sure, send a picture and I can tell you.

As to the T98, maybe. It has a long input shaft which may make adapting and other issues difficult, but it may be possible. How long is the input shaft from the front face of the transmission?

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So I sent them the T98 Output Shaft Measurements.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:06 PM

Well everyone, that exhaust port on the opposite side of the main exhaust manifold is a heat riser.

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A small exhaust pipe connected the bottom of the intake manifold to the exhaust header in order to heat the intake. Pontiac V8 engines have ports through the heads from the center exhaust ports to the intake manifold mating surface. The intake manifold has a passage that lets exhaust gasses flow through the manifold between the heads. Since the 4 cyl engine doesn't have the second head, the heat riser pipe does the job.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:27 PM

Found out only 3300 were made of that engine w/the 4bbl. Selling it to get something newer.

Turns over (need to do a compression test) but looks good so far.

Clean oil, clean valve cover, clean head.

The rest of the pics can be viewed here - http://www.street2mu...ant-4cyl-Engine

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:42 AM

Good sign on the engine turning over. If the frame is not right (and from the pics it looks like a hack job) and need too much work just find another frame. Out by you it should be easy, the farmers used these old Jeeps all the time and I'm sure there is a few of them abandoned in barns.

Your making me tired just looking at all the pics and the work that will need to be done. :grin:
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:10 AM

Found a roll chassis w/Trans/Tcase/DShafts. Going next Friday to look at it.


The old '61 engine is hard to mate to the T98 trans and I'm having trouble findings a bellhousing. The engine that came out of that car did not use a transmission, only a transaxle.


Trying to find a 4banger or v6. I did find a 4banger L-134 but it doesn't have a intake/exhaust manifold and has a knock which means the crank might be gone $$$$

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Your making me tired just looking at all the pics and the work that will need to be done


Talking w/Eric at Novak for an adapter but he is having problems trying to find one for this Slant 4cyl which is for sale on Hemmings 2K :tongue1:
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