Winching
#1
Posted 16 July 2003 - 03:05 PM
Looking for help or suggestions on proper winching use and techniques. Best case would be if there was actually somewhere to go to learn proper use and techniques. Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.
Thanks.
4.88 gears / belly-up skid
3" lift & 33" Goodyear MT/R
Toys By Troy full sports bar with back add on and spreader bar
ARB Bull Bar / AEV rockerguards
Off Your Rocker Corner Guards
Warn Winch / Safari Snorkel
IPF off road lights / Currie bumper & tire carrier
#2
Posted 16 July 2003 - 06:41 PM
#3
Posted 16 July 2003 - 07:13 PM
#4
Posted 16 July 2003 - 07:59 PM
If you don't fight for the trails, there won't be any trails to fight for.
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling that thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." ....
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#5
Posted 17 July 2003 - 07:56 AM
Stu, welcome to the forum, you bring with you a great deal of knowledge and a great deal of fun. I looked at your location and it said "not given" , never been to that part of the country, where exactly is it?
Ian, excellent link. Good deal of information.
My take on all of this is that you need the basics to get started. Both the book mentioned and this link will get you there for sure. There will different scenarios that you will come up on the trail that will throw a lot of the "right" things to do out the window and you will have to improvise. No one can give you this except yourself with trail experience.
With regards to the subject on synthetic rope instead of a wire cable. In my lifetime of wheeling I've only seen one cable break, no accidents happened as all precautions were taken. Heard of other wire cables being broken and disastrous accidents happen but I personally have never seen it or hardly hear about them.
I was wheeling in Moab and Colorado last year and personally saw 3 of the synthetic ropes break. Luckily we had a double cable attached to the vehicle (a wire cable and the synthetic rope), when the synthetic rope snapped. If it was not for the second wire cable, the vehicle would have fallen backwards on the waterfall and it would have been disastrous not only for the vehicle but most important for the driver.
Three synthetic ropes in one trip are not very good odds. :tdown: You will never get me to switch over or use a synthetic rope. Yes there are pros and cons but the odds were not there. Ask the jeeper with the synthetic rope what he is using now... nothing but wire cable. Btw, I've seen the rope jam on the spool quite a bit.
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#6
Posted 17 July 2003 - 09:53 AM
The manual for my winch says before the initial use and after each subsequent use I need to unravel my wire rope and and rewind it onto the spool under a load of at least 500 pounds. Not sure exactly what I could hook it up to and then rewind.
Any comments or suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks.
Snorky
4.88 gears / belly-up skid
3" lift & 33" Goodyear MT/R
Toys By Troy full sports bar with back add on and spreader bar
ARB Bull Bar / AEV rockerguards
Off Your Rocker Corner Guards
Warn Winch / Safari Snorkel
IPF off road lights / Currie bumper & tire carrier
#7
Posted 17 July 2003 - 12:43 PM
#8
Posted 17 July 2003 - 07:17 PM
I've read a lot of your posts on other forums and enjoyed your web site as well. You bring lots of experience here.
Joe
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#9
Posted 17 July 2003 - 09:57 PM
#11
Posted 14 August 2003 - 12:06 PM
I have seen double lines implemented by running the wire rope to the anchor point and then back to a recovery point on the vehicle. These tend to be off to one side or the other of the winch. Here is my questions. Why not use a chain of sufficient capacity to attach to both anchor points (assuming there are two on the front of the vehicle) and then pull the chain to create a "V" shape and then bring the wire rope straight back and attach it to the chain at the base of the "V".
anyone have anythoughts on this? Thanks for your input
Snorky
afterthought : I found this description for a 3/8" chain on the Recovery Gear website. If anyone can explain the "working load limit" vs. "the ultimate strength" that would be great.
"# 6600 lb. Working Load Limit"
"# Design Factor / Ultimate Strength = 4 times Working Load Limit"
"# Ultimate Strength = 26,400 lbs."
Thanks again.
4.88 gears / belly-up skid
3" lift & 33" Goodyear MT/R
Toys By Troy full sports bar with back add on and spreader bar
ARB Bull Bar / AEV rockerguards
Off Your Rocker Corner Guards
Warn Winch / Safari Snorkel
IPF off road lights / Currie bumper & tire carrier
#12
Posted 14 August 2003 - 07:15 PM
Ultimate strength is theoretical breaking point (simplified, it's actually very complicated and involved)
Working load limit is the max. where the chain is "designed" under normal conditions (no shock loads, etc., etc.) to be used to meet it's expected service life (which is rigidly detailed also).
HTH